11-30-2007, 06:01 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 4
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Duh?
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Originally Posted by ralphmalph
To say that the victims need a plan B is pretty much a, DUH! What do you recommend as a plan B?
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Plan B is something each individual needs to decide. Nothing comes easy in life. Re-founding Mother gave some ideas for people to research...they may work for some, but others may find other options work better, depending on their personal situation...I personally am just starting over to recoup my loss.
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Originally Posted by ralphmalph
It is obvious that they never had a legitimate plan. I'm not even sure they really had a plan for the scam. I expect it just started small and grew as they found more and more gullible people.
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It's not obvious that they didn't have a legitimate plan...or at least a collection of good ideas and some half-baked ideas. They went through the motions of creating real products and business, but it all went south when they discovered the easy money from the housing scam.
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Originally Posted by ralphmalph
There is an actual incorrect fact. No one was aware of "the steps needed to make these businesses legitimate." Because there were no steps that could have been taken to make the businesses work the way they were intended. They were all bad ideas that were doomed from the start.
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Ralphmalph...you may want to re-check your facts. There are companies out there that do make money from merchant services, atm machines and real estate investment. Digital advertising is a very viable product if done correctly...otherwise Clear Channel and Lamar wouldn't be involved with it. The basic business concepts were not bad ideas...it was their execution (or lack of execution) that was doomed. And I disagree that concepts are doomed from the start, it is the steps that are taken after the initial concept that dooms it.
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Originally Posted by ralphmalph
This may all be true and it is entertaining, but like most of what refounding posts, not very important to the discussion.
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Refounding's posts certainly offer more substance and help than I can see from any of your posts...if you don't like what she has to say (or have trouble understanding her), you can always simply ignore her posts.
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Originally Posted by ralphmalph
And these funds are still traceable. Every movement of money in this country is traceable. When they receive money and give it to their wives or someone else to buy a house, that can be traced to the settlement. When cars are bought, that can be traced to the dealership. When any funds are spent, unless they are in cash, they can be traced. Any cash purchase of $10,000 or more has to be reported to the feds, so even significant cash purchases can be traced.
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Certainly funds within the US can be traced. But recouping funds sent to offshore bank accounts are questionable at best. And if you really think the feds will recoup all the money invested, you may want to talk to the investors of the Bancard Group and see how much money they got back.
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Originally Posted by ralphmalph
One of my concerns with refounding is that she sounds a lot like Williams and may have yet another scam ready to spring. Let's face it, most of the people helping Williams were either in on his scam or were trying to scam the scammers to get their own cut of the action. I don't know refounding, but I don't believe in any "investment plan" until I see all the details. Since refounding is so reluctant to even give a hint about her plan, I have to assume she is not on the up and up.
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She has given ideas for re-investing. As for details for an actual plan, this is definitely not the forum for that kind of thing...but the main message from refounding is that there are other options out there and she's pointed the readers on this site in a few directions that they can begin to look. If she were not on the up and up, she would certainly give more details to "sign people up" but that's obviously not what she's doing.
As for the "duh" comments...I find them extremely offense and honestly question your purpose for contributing to these discussions. Are you working with the Williams brothers to discourage posts and further confuse the subject? If you are truly an investor that has lost money, I can understand your anger and frustration...but I cannot understand why you lash out at others in the same boat.
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