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Old 02-20-2007, 09:19 PM
Popeye Popeye is offline
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Default Legit Cashier's Checks for Online Auctions

I wonder if anyone knows how to spot a phony cashier's check? I'm thinking of doing an online auction in the near future, and I know from reading this site that some Nigerian gangs have used fake cashiers checks to pay for certain items; not that I'll be "making up the difference" on any checks over the purchase amount; I'm on the lookout for that red flag!

As it stands now I can't spot a counterfeit anything unless the ink is still wet. Any suggestions?


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Old 03-06-2007, 11:55 AM
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Fake checks usually are sent in conjunction with "send me cash back" requests, that's one signal. However, if everything seems normal, it's still possible you have been sent a fake check...
  1. Check for watermarks. That's usually missing in forgeries.
  2. Read the check carefully (usually they describe security features such as "the date line is actually the word REAL in very small letters" or such).
  3. Call the bank (or company) listed as the payee, and verify the check number and amount with them directly.
  4. Take it to the cops and have them look at it.
  5. If it passes those tests, but you're still suspicious, you can deposit the check and not touch the funds until they are "honored" -- which is different from "cleared". The following quote is from http://www.fraudaid.com/check_liability.htm#Clear
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    "Available funds" does not mean the money in your account belongs to you, even if a hold has been taken off the draft. When you deposit a check into your bank account, your bank advances you the money for that check to keep the wheels of commerce moving.... This credit to your account is called a "provisional loan" and is actually a no-signature loan from your bank to you. It does not mean that your bank has been credited by the account holder bank. The only time the money in your account really belongs to you is when the check or money order has been HONORED, meaning your bank has been credited (paid) by the account holder bank. ALWAYS ask your bank if the draft has been honored and DO NOT TOUCH THE MONEY until it has.

    When in doubt about a draft, tell your bank to send the draft for COLLECTION. When you send a draft for Collection, it means that your bank or credit union will not put any money in your account until the draft has been paid, i.e. your bank has received the credit from the account holder bank. Your bank or credit union will charge you a fee and give you an approximate time before the draft is honored. This time period may be as long as 6 to 8 weeks depending on the location of the account holder bank.

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Old 04-20-2007, 12:40 AM
Urmann Urmann is offline
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Thanks for good comments- I would just say be very careful. I had what I thought was a fradulent money order that I deposited in my bank. I told the bank manager to investigate and they told me not to worry about it and that everything was fine. Sure enough about a month later the money order bounced. Fortunately, I didnt get scammed, but the lesson is that just because the bank says its good dosent mean that it is. I think part of the problem is that banks dont often deal with fake money orders. The whole thing made me feel like I had done something wrong and in hindsight it would have been better not to deposit the money order at all.

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Old 05-06-2007, 09:20 AM
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Default I have decided to become a collector

I almost got scammed, back in 2002, I think it was, and then I stayed away, and have never been burned. But it made me mad that these people are so numerous that when I decided to follow one up, and I traced it to to Toronto Canada, and the police detective I contacted said that they didn't have the manpower to go after these crooks.

So, since then I have been answering as many as I can and now I collect counterfeit checks and money orders. I usually call the issuing bank and then e-mail the sender back and tell them that there was a problem with the payment, and the need to fix the problem. I never hear back from them. I don't know know why?

Right now I have about, a quarter of a million in counterfeit checks, They're going up on my wall one of these days, when I have about a million.

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Old 05-06-2007, 09:31 AM
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Default Pay Pal is good, but, , , ,

I have bought and sold on b e-bay and the best procedure to start out with is a PayPal account. PayPal uinfortunatley , is not a FDIC insured accounting system, and they really don't guarantee your losses, but its better than working blind. The better way to have your customer pay for big ticket items is to generate a relationship with an escrow company. This does not make sense for any transaction of less then, say 2 grand or perhaps more like 10, but this way the money goes in and gets cleared before you send the merchandise out. The escrow company acts as a third party, when the money clear their account, then you send out whatever you're selling


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Old 09-01-2007, 07:04 PM
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Default Another way to protect yourself...

Is to use USPS money orders. You can take those straight to the post office, and they can check right there if they're fake or not. DON'T TAKE A WESTERN UNION M.O!!! Those are EASILY forged.

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