Home About Rules TOS How much it cost How much it cost How much it cost

Google

Go Back   419 Legal - Internet Fraud and Online Scam Forum > Fradulent Emails and Websites > Is This Fraud?
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #61 (permalink)  
Old 12-06-2008, 04:36 PM
Frankie911 Frankie911 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2
Default

RE: If you recommend this business to 6 people and they sign up, your monthy fees disappear, plus you earn $700.

So, have YOU found six people that want to get "on board"?

If you are only paying $19.95 per month for the Dream Trips, you do NOT make any money. You have to buy the Dream Trips and the LTC package for a cost of $439.88 plus $39.94 per month. The only way you get the monthly fee waived is by signing up SIX people AND keeping them in an active status. How is that saving you money in the long run? Do the math. Not to mention, you still have to buy your airfare to where you are leaving from in most cases. You do not get a discount on airfare through WV. You can go directly online and book the flight for less than through the World Ventures site.

When I was in Phoenix for the "acceleration traing", I pulled out my WV membership card to ask for a car rental discount and got laughed at!

And finally, I just found this posted on another blog board....
I may sound like a "Dreamstealer"...but World Ventures is nothing but a pyramid organization masked by a travel website that few use. There is the potential to make money (a very SMALL amount of money) from other people using your WV site to book their trips, but one is not eligible for residual income until they manipulate 6 people into thinking they can be travel agents too(it may have decreased to 4 in recent months, probably b/c the guys at the top of the pyramid will try anything to recruit more people under them).
Let's make a comparison...recently I was offered a job (not a sales or MLM job), in which the company paid ME to fly out to their headquarters and train, they paid for ALL of my travel expenses as well as any work related expenses (clothing, supplies, etc.) They provide Blackberry service and laptops to their employees. Not to mention a salary that is not dependent on whether I can con my friends and family into thinking they can work for this company too. To all of you drinking the WV kool aid...get a real job!

Reply With Quote
  #62 (permalink)  
Old 01-02-2009, 10:41 PM
jimmytt jimmytt is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1
Default Business Opportunities

The question for all of these opportunity is can the product or service be provided elsewhere. If you can say, buy the juice at the store, the cell phone service is more then what is offered locally, you can buy the product on e-bay for less then distributor cost these may be warning signs

Reply With Quote
  #63 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2009, 09:53 AM
truthspeaker truthspeaker is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1
Thumbs up you right

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwillia View Post
First off, let me say that I do believe World Ventures is a reputable company.

However, I think your success will depend upon a) your own initiative and ability and b) your support network. Some people are better self-starters and good at convincing people to join things. For them, signing up people is much easier.

Others, particularly those new to selling and network marketing, need more help – particularly in the beginning. Solid support from their upline is very important.

I fell into the latter category and but didn’t have support from my upline. I got lost in the crowd and, eventually, came to realize I would not have my upline to help me. Because of that, I ultimately decided to leave the company and pursue something I was more passionate and knowledgeable about.

There are two different products. You can just take advantage of the travel packages and not the business building portion. However, for those who choose to do the networking side, the fastest way to do it is by utilizing your existing network of friends, business associates, etc. From that base you build your larger network.

My network of friends has always been small and somewhat eclectic. The people I knew were either turned off by the networking part or interested but not financially able to afford it. Since I hit a wall of resistance rather early during my membership, I needed the guidance/support of my upline to help me move through that. Additionally, a lot of it is the art of approaching people and basically making a sales pitch without making it look like a sales pitch. That takes training and support, particularly when you move out of your sphere of known people and start targeting strangers.

During my four or five months of membership I never heard from anybody in my upline. Part of the reason may be that the person who initially got me in the company quit almost immediately because she didn’t have time to pursue the business. I believe I was signed up directly under her and so that may have created a gap. The person who got her involved was someone I met but didn’t know. Additionally, he had another full time career and it was actually his nephew who was doing most of the work. Even though they were friendly toward me, I always got the impression that it was “outta sight, outta mind” as far as I was concerned.

I did attend one of WV's big sales meetings. Although I was skeptical, I was surprised to come out of it super pumped and ready to build my business. Later, I realized that, like lots of companies, they utilize NLP (aka Anthony Robbins) and other types of techniques to get people motivated. This is all valid but if you need guidance and if your upline isn’t there to support you, then that enthusiasm quickly wears off as the rejections begin to mount.

At the conference, I did witness groups that did have that successful group support. In fact, I sat near one very vocal group and had some short conversations with the leader. She was very involved in helping her network develop themselves. I witnessed her advising and offering help several times over the two day period. In fact, a few of her group’s members were given achievement awards or awards for reaching new sales goals.

I think that element had to have been there in my group because the young man who gave the presentation where I signed up was a high money earner in the company. But for some reason I just didn’t register on their radar. Following the conference, I never heard from anybody. Eventually I decided to pursue something else.

I recently received a voicemail message from the young man mentioned above, presumably to get me back into WV. That’s funny – because it’s the first time anybody from that network has contacted me since I signed up. It’s been a year since I quit. Needless to say, I’m not returning the call.

Last fall I went on to study hypnosis in a one-year training program in L.A.. I actually now have some of the skills I would have needed last year in order to build a successful network business. However, I’m more interested in building a private practice to help people with their issues and to motivate them for success in their lives than applying those skills to network marketing. Maybe I’ll change my mind at some point. But if I did, I don’t’ know if I’d go back to World Ventures.

If you can make it work, then I think that’s great. But if you aren’t sure of your skill or ability, then you need to be certain that the upline will be there for you and not going to take your money and move onto the next prospect.
Everything you said is true. Thank you for being honest in expressing yourself in a clear truthful way. Network marketing works. Funny how people scream scam about WV or YTB when if you google expedia or any other companies you will see ppl calling them scam. Anything is scam on the internet. Instead of people spending their time trying to think of how to better America and make it one of the greatest country so they can lead and set example they waste their time calling everything scam.

Sometimes we let our ego control us and we act abnormal instead of normal as a loving truthful human. Yes there is so many lies in this industry because it always the blind leading the blind. So many people who join the industry is looking for a way out so they get caught up in themselves and not use common sense. They want to make it at all cost so they resort to lie and recruiting distributors without training them. As for me I am with Worldventures and am not going anywhere. Been for 7 months and loves the spiritual,financial,emotional.social and physical joy it has brought in my life. I spent 5 years in school and no one ever thought me how to take control of my emotion, how to save 10 percent of any dime I make,how to listen better with the other person in mind,leadership skills, being in control of my anger knowing that only me control how happy I am unlike may people who get mad and give away their power. This is what being in this industry has done for me. Jim Rohn said work harder on yourself than you work at your job and business. Truth is to be great or have success you have to develop certain character and thats what network marketing do for you.

IN network marketing if you don't have a good sponsor you toast that why 95 percent of people fail. First step in this business is learning how to prospect then learning how to train the people you got involved. According to Dale Calvert "When you first sponsor a new person on your team, you need to provide them with strong directional leadership at least for the first 90 days. Then you move into a coaching mode with them, where you teach different methods of lead generation until they have mastered lead generation and recruiting. At this point, their success depends mostly on doing what they already know to do, so you can move more into a supporting mode with them. They don’t need directional leadership or coaching at this point, because success comes down to just doing what they already know how to do. Finally, the numbers and the ratios all come together for them as they are able to devote their full time efforts to the business and at this point you are delegating."

So yes if you don't have a good sponsor look for guidance of people like Mark Yarnell,Joe Rubino, and Don Filla etc, These are people who have been in the industry for many years. It is your business do what it take to succeed. If i leave on an island you not going to wait to rescue to come before you start palling how to survive. You what it take to survive even if you have a bad sponsor. Checkout Networkingtimes.com or Upline365.com for training articles by people who have been in the industry for 20 to 30 years.

Anyone need help let me know am still learning and willing to share what I have been learning from people who has been doing this for years. I just started training my team with all I have learned and it is working. At first it was a struggle because I knew how to recruit but not how to train. But if you are in this business for others you do what it takes.I took off 2 to 3 months and started reading all the books I can get on building a successful network marketing and how to train people. I also did a lot of reading on personal development. These are things you have to do to be able to lead your team and make sure they are happy and their dreams met rather than just recruiting people and not calling them or directing them on how to achieve their goals

Peace love and blessing. Life is lovely and lets keep it real and lovely

Reply With Quote
  #64 (permalink)  
Old 02-22-2009, 11:59 PM
Scamavoider Scamavoider is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1
Default Quack Test

In my on if it Quacks like a ducck it must be a duck; If it sounds too good to be true.... I didn't drink their KooAide!

Reply With Quote
  #65 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2009, 10:37 PM
omohundro omohundro is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2
Default It is a scam: World Ventures is selling nothing

Leisure travel? Give me a break. Anybody who knows how to use expedia.com or any other travel website can obtain for FREE the same (better actually) vacation packages that World Ventures sells. For example: want to go to Las Vegas? Just call any of the major hotels and they will tell you about really fantastic deals (without using some weird internet middleman).

World Ventures is a scam because:

(1) it is a classic pyramid scheme (people at the top make money even if they do no actual work)

(2) World Ventures is selling "leisure travel" products that are available to anybody for FREE,

(3) World Ventures is SELLING JOBS "Leisure Travel Consultant" and "Booking Travel Agent" which is a fraudulent practice (for a real job the employer pays the worker, not the other way around, and

(4) World Ventures makes it sound like an investor (somebody who buys in to the company) is going to make their money back (and hopefully a profit) - an impossible outcome for all but the top few in a pyramid scheme.

At least with Amway, the "investor" was able to sell soap products. World Ventures is selling nothing but a chance to buy into a pyramid scheme,

Reply With Quote
  #66 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2009, 11:11 PM
omohundro omohundro is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2
Default World Ventures is a waste of time and money

World Ventures is a common pyramid scheme. World Ventures invites people to pay money to World Ventures: "members" then receive the (questionable) privilege of using World Ventures "leisure travel search engine" (it is in fact much inferior to Expedia.com); "Leisure Travel Consultants" or "Booking Travel Agents" get to divide up the membership fees of all the members they can recruit (the classic pyramid scheme).

World Ventures is acually selling nothing of any real value; any "leisure travel opportuities" avaliable thru World Ventures are easily and widely avaliable over the internet for free.

It is mathematically possible that only the people who start a pyramid scheme can actually make alot of money (they do no real work by the way).

If you want to make money in a pyramid scheme, instead of "joining" World Ventures, you would be better off starting a new one. For example: go buy a thousand golf balls and paint the words "Super Distance" on them, then find ten friends who want to both buy and sell memberships in the Super Distance Golf Ball Club: everybody who pays $500 for a membership gets one "Super Distance Golf Ball"l plus the right to sell memberships in the Super Distance Golf Ball Club; for every membership they sell, they get $100, the person who recruited them gets $100 and so on up the chain to you.

Maybe the best pyramid schme was the "Free Money" scheme that was perpetrated in Los Angeles in the 1960's: everybody who bought into the "Free Money" pyramid received the right to receive free money.

Reply With Quote
  #67 (permalink)  
Old 04-11-2009, 05:00 PM
Travel James Travel James is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1
Default WV Reps are not travel agents

World Ventures representatives are not Certified Travel Agents. All they can do is refer other people to join their company and forward people to their travel booking website. They get some travel perks as well.

Real travel agents, or CTAs, can book travel directly through vendors such as hotels, cruise lines, and so on.

MyTraverusAgent.com agents, for example, are CTAs who can call travel vendors directly and receive discounts and commissions that are much more substantial than what anyone will make trying to get people to use their WV travel portal. We have agents making loads of money by booking group cruises, Disney vacations, and so on (again, directly through the travel vendors, not through some website). WV agents don't get rich referring people to their booking site.

Reply With Quote
  #68 (permalink)  
Old 06-05-2009, 08:41 PM
BoilerRoomGroupThink BoilerRoomGroupThink is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1
Default Brainwashing/Groupthink

Quote:
Originally Posted by fiyahspinnah View Post
I was entirely duped into going to one of these presentations just tonight. My good friend called me up and asked me what I was doing. I replied nothing so she said "You have to come with me tonight to this amazing experience." I asked her what it is and she said "You'll just have to come, it is 90% visual".
I had all these different ideas in my head what it was going to be: a local show, an autumn hike, some niche in the cities, etc

A World Ventures presentation was the last ****ing thing I expected.

Alright, from the presentation I learned that if you sell $1000 worth of travel packages in one month (which they claim was a small amount), then you only get 5%. Only $50?!? Are you kidding me? If you include the $40 you have to pay each month to be a part of World Ventures then you only made $10.

I was really frustrated when I read the small print on the sign up paper. It said you have three days to back out and cancel the transaction of your $400 to join and it went on to say that the information on how to do this was on the back of the paper. Guess what was on the back of the paper? Absolutely nothing. It was blank!

It also said that only 26.3% of the people made money in 2007 and the average income was only $200 something.

The worst part of it all was the end where the presenter went on to give tips on how to lure people into going to these presentations..... He said call your friends and say ""You have to come with me tonight to this amazing experience. I can't explain it because it is 90% visual". The same flippen line that several of my other friends and myself were given by the same three people who lured us there.

Please! I am blown away that my friends consider themselves free thinkers and were so easily tricked into forking over so much cash.

How frustrating. Thanks to World Ventures to wasting my gas money and my time!!! GOOD GRIEF, people!


If you want to waste some time on this issue go to worldventures site and watch their bastard presentation and then go to YTB's bastard presentation and watch that too. Almost identical!

To all of you rich WVer's, yathink you could throw me a few bones to make up for my gas money? Thanks.

My story is much the same: I received a text from my friend about some new business opportunity for me. He vaguely discussed a meeting somewhere in Plano, TX(I live twenty minutes from there). I was very skeptical and even making jokes about pyramid schemes. Eventually, because he is my friend, I decided to go with him. He picks me up and we go to the headquarters at 7:30pm.

The presentation was excellent. The power point was well done. The deals and benefits were amazing. The presenters Gabby and David told us about their success stories of how one was a hair dresser and the other was a police officer trying to get out of their rut. Now they are both retired and making six figures after two years with WV. I can’t deny the presentation held my attention.

Then David drew a pyramid…Then he started saying crap like, “What is bigger? Your ego or your bank account?” and “Donald Trump was on David Letterman saying if he were to become rich from scratch, he would do Network Marketing.” The presenter then said they had a free trip certificate worth $300 for the first few people who signed up today. They handed out the enrollment forms and that is when I learned my friend had already enrolled the day before. Throughout the meeting, people were hoopin’ and hawin’ along with everything the presenters were saying. When somebody signed up at the end, a rep would yell and holler “We got a new member here!” and pat him or her on the back as the room would erupt in applause. It was complete Boiler Room mentality. I could not tell you how many people in that room were staged. It was brainwashing + groupthink. It’s not ego, it’s called common sense logic. Yes, maybe Donald Trump said that on the Late Show. But he meant OWN a Network Marketing company, not buy into it like all these other poor hopefuls who are easily susceptible to grander ideas of “no work but full pay.” The pyramid does not start with you. It started a long time ago with those owners. Sorry, I decided not to pay my 400 bucks + $40 per month fees for an intangible idea.

My friend and I walk out with his sponsor. I tell my friend “What in the hell are you doing? That is complete Boiler Room and groupthink in there.” His sponsor was talking to me trying to make the sell, but he only further frustrated me by quoting the same crap that I had just heard ten minutes ago! It is a complete regurgitation of brainwashing tools passed down from training sessions to the weak.

My friend and I argued for an hour about WV. Hopefully I can get him to cancel his enrollment and get his money back before it is too late.

Basically, you enroll for ~$500. You get your own website but it looks the same as every other representative. You have to talk 6 people into coming to a meeting or signing up under your “team.” They have to get a bunch of people as well + people to purchase trips off yours/their website. Nobody is going to stumble onto your website, so you have to basically intrude on other people to purposely visit yours. Can this be done? Sure! But you basically have to quit your day job to hound people left and right. Time is money. You have to bust your hump in order to see your first nickel. So basically you are in the hole for a grand before you get $50 bucks in the mail. Either that or you could keep your day job and be guaranteed payment for your honest hard work.

Reply With Quote
  #69 (permalink)  
Old 06-25-2009, 10:34 AM
pandora pandora is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1
Thumbs down As a Model I'll do good...

...because models are beautiful. That's what they told me. LOL That's gotta be one of the most retarded lines. I looked them up and found this thread, right away.

I knew it was a trick, with the opening pitch. Then I see, that I am supposed to pay them? I pay to work for them? Anyone see a problem here?

Big deal about using their website. Those are overpriced too.

Reply With Quote
  #70 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2009, 01:43 PM
antimlm antimlm is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1
Default I've got a job

A former co-worker got involved in WV and kept wanting me to come to the meetings. After getting calls every other day for 3 weeks about attending one of the meetings, I finally nipped it in the bud.

I have a full-time job that pays well with a good company, that is not affected by recession, and I love what I do. I don't need another job.

I've never been duped into MLM before and I refuse to do it now, just for a friend's sake.

As with all MLMs I think you get out of it what you put in and some people just don't make it while others do.

I think it's also a good way to lose friends and family.

I wish luck to all those who take the risk, but I'm not going to be a contributor.

Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




Scams to Watch for

2nd Mortgage Scam
A Jerk Rich Scam
Action Cleanse Dual Scam
Alexander Estate John Real Scam
ATM Scams
Billy Briggs Home Scam Type
BurnLounge Scam
Carlton Sheets Scam
Dallas Puppy Scam
Debt Elimination Scams
Ebay Scam
Emails Scams
Gift Card Scam
Greatest Vitamin in the World Scam
Internet Scams
Investools Scam
IRS Email Scam
Is ACN a Scam
Scam Reports (cont)

Is Arbonne a Scam
Is Direct Buy a Scam
Is John Beck a Scammer
Costal Vacation Scam
Global Travel International Scam
Liberty League International Scam
Nouveau Tech Society Scam
Primerica Scam
Quixtar Scam
Team National Scam
Toppik Scam
World Financial Group Scam
YTB Scam
Agel Scam
Apple Diet Patch Scam
Is USA Voice a Scam
Scam Reports (cont)

Is XanGo a Scam
Jury Duty Scam
Kevin Trudeau Scam
Lottery Scams
Monavie Scam
Mystery Shopper Scams
National Honor Roll: Scam
PayPal Scams
Poetry Scams
Pre-paid Legal
Russian Bride Scams
Second Mortgage Scam
The Energy Scam Stream
Vector Marketing Scam
West Coast Wellness Scam
Work From Home Scams
World Leadership Group Scam
Types of Fraud

Fraud Alerts
Credit Card Application Fraud
Investment Fraud IV
Investment Fraud Part I
Investment Fraud Part II
Investment Fraud Part III
Medicare Fraud
Mail Fraud
Tax Fraud

Protecting Yourself from Fraud

Identity Fraud Protection
What is Online Credit Card Fraud
Preventing Online Credit Card Fraud
Reporting Fraud

Consumer Report Rights
Consumer Reporting Agency Block
Preventing Credit Card Fraud
Reporting Credit Card Fraud
Reporting Tax Fraud in the U.S.

Victims Rights

Identity Theft Victims Rights

419 Legal Blog

Add to Technorati Favorites

Blog RSS Feed
Home
Online Scams
Anti-Scam Scams
Common Scams
Online theft
Phishing Scams

About 419 Legal
Terms of Service


Find Lawyers


Appeal Lawyers
Insurance Lawyers
Bankruptcy Lawyers
Business Law
Civil Attorneys



Banking Attorneys
Contract Lawyers
Criminal Lawyers
Discrimination Attorneys
Family Lawyers



DUI Lawyers
Lawyers for Seniors
Employment Attorneys
Environmental Attorneys
Immigration Lawyers



Malpractice Lawyers
Patent Attorneys
Personal Injury Lawyers
Property Law
Social Security Lawyers



Trial lawyers
Estate Law
Workers Comp Attorneys
Legal Counsel
Legal Services



All times are GMT. The time now is 03:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0