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Old 10-17-2007, 08:25 PM
MarinaDelReap MarinaDelReap is offline
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Here is an email sent to all "partners" that was titled "IMPORTANT NEW DEVELOPMENTS" Monday on the latest unraveling of POS Dream Home scam.

Author is Carole Y. Jones the President of POS Dream Home West Region aka Ringleader/Recruiter of "investors" and "board members" in this scam:


Sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:52 pm
Subject: State of Maryland Actions & Mortgage Payments

Dear Partners:
The newest developments that have taken place over the past several days in
the corporate offices of Metropolitan Grapevine and POS Dream Homes are not
very encouraging. As discussed on our last conference call, Mr. Williams
planned to come to California this week and meet with the partners face to
face. He also indicated that mortgages would be paid for September, October
and November by today (October 15, 2007). Regrettably, it is now apparent
that neither will happen in the foreseeable future.
These are the facts as I know them to be:
• On Wednesday, October 10, 2007 all corporate bank accounts were
frozen and other assets seized by the State of Maryland.
• On Thursday, October 11, 2007 all offices were shut down by the
State of Maryland.
• On Friday October 12, 2007 Andrew "Andy" Williams was taken into
custody and charged with judicial contempt of court and held on an
exorbitant bond amount.
I only have this information and cannot, nor will not, corroborate any other
rumors or innuendo. I will arrange for another conference call for later in
the week when I gather accurate facts and information for you.
We are all in a very tenuous predicament right now and I am doing everything
within my power to make this situation right. I know that all of the
partners want to hear that your mortgages are going to get paid or that your
initial monies will be refunded. I simply do not have the resources to make
that happen immediately because all affiliate offices are adversely affected
as well in this "ripple effect".
I thank you all for your support and patience.
Sincerely,

Carole Y. Jones
POS Dream Homes
President
Western Region
4640 Admiralty Way, Suite 1230
Marina del Rey, CA 90292
(310)822-3531 Office
(310)306-2746 Fax
____________________________________


in the end the leaders and recruiters will reap what they sow.

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Old 10-17-2007, 08:47 PM
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Also, I noticed they took down the Metro Dream Home propaganda: Metro Television Network

But have no fear I saved the link that streamed the videos last week:

LifeStreamTV

enjoy.

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Old 10-17-2007, 10:10 PM
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Below is a letter that went out to board members:

Hello everyone;

This is to let you know that Mr. Williams is fine and to please keep
praying for him and the company. That he has been released and what
happened to him was injustice and cruel. That what happened on Friday
was not the case because they didn't even have a hearing. That
because of who he was they incarcerated him unfairly.

I wanted to put everyone's fears to rest depending on what rumors you
heard or what was being said. Please as I previously said, WE NEED to
keep Mr. Williams in prayer and to please pray for this company that
we will get thru this if we stick together and pray collectively as a
company.

Thank you.

Barbara J. Jones
Board Secretary
Board of Governors
Metropolitan Grapevine LLC
(301) 925-4215 (H)
(240) 486-1079 (C)
Email Address: bjonesbowie@aol.com

Let us not become weary in doing good for at the proper time we will
reap a harvest if we do not give up. [Gal. 6 &9]


Is she on Crack or what. This man played on everyones emotions and had the nerve to use god's name in the process. He has ruined my credit and set me back 20 years, as far as I am concerned he and his Cronies can go straight to HELL.

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Old 10-18-2007, 12:05 AM
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Default M_d_R?....welcome to the new board!

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Some funds were included in the mortgage obtained by buyers and some funds were given directly by sellers from their proceeds... and some were done on the same buy/sell transactions. you and ralph are both right about questioning who should get what because there is not blanket response. The scam has too many iterations.
There was more than one way that this scam has been allowed to continue.

There is more than one way that people were "sold" on this investment strategy.

I do not know how to post links in these posts... maybe Sage could help with next paragraph?

Please check the article already listed about Metropolitan Money Store and please check the article in Oct 14 Washington Post "The Get-Rich Pitch then the LetDown" by Michelle Singletary.

If no one thinks these people know each other and their schemes are not related in the same communities... there is no such thing as co-incidence, people. And I hope that the feds and AG's are looking at that connection.

The coverage by the media or lack thereof is no accident either. What are big problems to you and I are still small business "potatoes" and happening in mostly minority communities.

These predators know that while they are "keeping it at home" and under the radar of Big Business (under $150Million) and Big Brother, the media will drop off mostly because there is always a market for the unsophisticated investor to take advice from the wrong source and thereby stay at the bottom... by just cutting their losses and moving on eventually because there is no easy way to complain or to exact justice and regular people would rather regain a quality of life that doesn't include fighting everyday.

It is an arduous process to complain to DLLR or go file a small claim or expensive to get an attorney and there are so many loopholes (possibly intentional design) to make it hard to pursue the wrongdoing. And many people don't understand or even know about their rights, or the new Maryland Foreclosure Consultant bill of 2005 for example.
I think Senate Bill 761 or 671.

The punishments are listed as high but enforcement is low because only individuals complain. And the scammers get through the loopholes by saying they support the original idea.

Look at www. mdforeclosurelaw .com (or as it will direct you when typed in correctly Platinum Financial) and see if any of the company's activities or people are related to any of the three other companies listed here, MDH, Metropolitan Money Store and Financial Independence Group. I think you'll find that they are. Or maybe they are legitimately trying to be the do-gooders but they certainly know about the scams surrounding them and have done nothing with their "good works" to help eradicate the scammers.

And it doesn't stop there.
This is what I meant earlier about crossing all the different businesses... all these scam companies advertise on the same radio stations, same pennysavers, same community meetings. Scammers give their "earned" advertising dollars to the entities that we want to investigate and cover them. And even more on the internet or with JV's with all those MLM companies -- stealing the credibility of the source by paying to advertise there. Hmmmm....

At least for what I know about the POSCafe "system," they were planning to control advertising delivery in many retail locations with new media and digital signage and that that part was the most expensive and the most "supposedly" lucrative part of their investment package, i.e. reason to loan money from your home sale or mortgage.
(meanwhile actually developing an advertising company is pretty slow and low revenue at first and you need more than one trick up your sleeve, especially when you don't hire well -- again, on purpose to not develop what you say you are developing)

When I saw on couple posts that MDH was listing as one option to get out, an ATM, I nearly laughed out loud.

Bank of America just announced raising fees for their ATM's. And MDH just offered ATM's as 1 of three options to get out of the $50k loan. Are different groups preying on the same consumers? Or are they modeling each other? Does AHW have any basis for his thinking that if the Big Guys can do it, why can't I?

The media is absent mostly because they'd have to take on the big guys too in order to cover these "small business" transgressions. But we just can't label everyone a conspiracy theorist, can we now??

You bet there are high people in high places hiding some of this and not for the reasons you expect.

More will come out about the MDH mortgage issues of course, but the lending institutions themselves are having widespread problems that the media will cover instead, so please expect it to take a really long time. And guess what? they are the same basic content issues just different context. I mean, if you were the Media, why wouldn't you cover Donald Trump's bankruptcy or preforeclosure status instead of mine in Prince Georges County?

And yes, with all the traveling and parties at the big hotels and other states "waiting" to follow Maryland lead, the assets of cash are mostly used up and having the time to disappear, even overseas. Several of the enablers and the investors themselves are helping with that by continuing to support and continuing to use a blind eye and the employees that are also investors are still saying that what they are doing is right.

AHW has been charming, charismatic, good fund-raiser, and instilled a great deal of loyalty toward the "little guy just trying to get ahead like everybody else." And he had great models for less than stellar integrity in the industries he tried to join. Several times. If the media had covered the 2001 Bankcard Group scam even more but the AG still just slaps a wrist, why do we expect round two across 8 states to be different?

The prosecution and investigation costs too much. And the small business person or small band of investors just isn't worth it. And the media makes more advertising dollars by covering Britney. Plus too much media coverage would dilute the "due process" that our scammers are entitled to.

And while the individuals (like many of the posters and investors) keep that status of low profile instead of banding together much sooner to stop the problems when they see and question them, the media just won't call you back unless your name is Britney.
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Originally Posted by MarinaDelReap View Post
Also, I noticed they took down the Metro Dream Home propaganda: Metro Television Network

But have no fear I saved the link that streamed the videos last week:

LifeStreamTV

enjoy.
Nice job saving that link, and thanks for posting the letter. I was surprised the old video link lasted so long. Ive noticed other affiliate sites dropping off also, like the Pacific Global Investments (Poof!)

I've looked back at some of the MMS articles and realize that fraud is estimated to be 60 mil whereas MDH is probably bigger, but a lot of the MDH money did go back to the members in mortgage payments and board "salaries". The MMS case is a CLASS ACTION, so unless the MDH members unite and find representation, this will drag on. The officers are still extending hope for a recovery....not many accept the scheme was doomed from the start. Although I do believe there are assets available and books or no books there will be a paper trail unless all transactions were cash, the money that's not spent may be not be worth the time, effort and emotional strain.

Assume for a moment that everything promised was true and all the investments were paying off big time and generating 50% returns per year, or whatever astronomical rate would be required to grow the money 10x in seven years (and making mortgage payments at the same time). Why on earth would you take money that was earning 50% per year to pay off a 7% mortgage?

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Old 10-18-2007, 01:22 PM
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I have been reading the blogs regarding the Metro Dream Homes scam and have been following the news on this company. I work for a class action law firm in DC that specializes in consumer class action law and we are investigating this company. If you would like to talk to an attorney or have information that would be helpful, please email me. ..........

Thanks-


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Old 10-18-2007, 01:59 PM
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I watched the LifeStreamTV video's and could not believe people were clapping for these men. They were saying nothing!!

Also, a previous quote asked where did all the money go? Well, besides the Bently's in closed garages, vacations, etc., money is being invested in Real Estate. Houses are being bought as investments. Not just any homes, but the million plus variety. They are out shopping, hitting models in some of the wealthier areas. Not talking MD or DC, but VA that I have heard of. This was told to me by a builder in the area. So, if I were one of the investors, and I wanted to know where the cash was, I would start looking at who and how many homes are owned by "board members" whether non-profit or not. Are they company owned or individually owned?


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Old 10-18-2007, 03:31 PM
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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 3:37:18 PM
Subject: Re: let's talk


Its clear it was a scam and yes, Ponsi businesses are
scams, lets be honest with ourselves and stop living
in denial. I lost 150k. My properties are up for
sale. And his company is shut down. I don't expect
to get the money back unless the law has a way to get
my money. I'm pretty much financially ruined
especially if I can't sell these properties.
There are many people who lost a lot of many and the
way the money was handled, they hardly have anything
close to paying everyone which is sad and now it gives
people of color another bad name in terms of doing
business with this info posted all over the media.

We all knew what needed to be done to make the
business work and yet they never listened. Good
customer service seem like a bad word. If they had
stuck to their plan their would never had been an
issue but when you mess with peoples life saving
people will go to the law and you can't blame the law
for stepping in.

It is as simple as that. They tapped into people's
emotions and we bought into it. Rational thinking was
never applied. Critical thinking was never applied.
Nothing but emotions drove the business and worst of
all the idea of using God's name for the wrong reasons
and in the wrong way

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Old 10-18-2007, 07:33 PM
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i just gotback from to today's hearing. THE STATE OF MARYLAND IS SLOPPY. THE MDH LAWYERS WERE ACTUALLY PRETTY DECENT. THE JUDGE HAD PROBLEMS WITH BOTH SIDES.. THERE WERE CLEARLY SOME 4TH AMENDMENT ISSUES ON THE STATES SIDE. THE ENTERED AHW HOME W/O A SEARCH WARRANT, THE ORDER ONLY SAID THAT THEY WER ALLOWED TO GO TO THE LOCATIONS AND ASK TO TO REVIEW MDH RECORDS IM NOT SURE BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY DID A SEARCH AND SEIZURE.W/O A WARRANT. BUT TO SOME IT UP I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ENOUGH EVIDENCE FOR THE JUDGE TO OVER TURN ANOTHER JUDGE'S DECSION WITH OUT A LITTLE MORE INFO. AS SOON AS I FIND OUT MORE I;LL PUT IT UP OVERALL IT WAS A TIE. I THINK WHERE AT A STALEMATE UNTIL EITHER SIDE COMES UP WITH MORE INFO. THE BIGGEST ARGUMENT WAS THAT THE STATE HAD JUMPED THE GUN AND DID NOT USE DUE PROCESS UNDER THE LAW. THE ORDER TO FREEZE THE ASSETS EXPIRES ON SAT. THE JUDGE WAS ON THE FENCE BECAUSE THE STATE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY NEW ARGUMENTS. THE JUDGE ALSO ADVISED THAT HE WAS NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE STATE. SOMEHOW WHEN LAST WEEK ORDER WAS ISSUED THE JUDGE SAID THAT HE COULD NOT HEAR THE CASE BECAUSE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ONE OF THE STATE LAWYERS BUT ISSUED A ORDER TO FREEZE ASSETS WITHOUT HEARNG THE CASE. I HAD TO LEAVE SO THERE'S ALOT MORE MOST LIKELY THE CASE WILL CONTINUE TOMORROW

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Old 10-19-2007, 06:15 PM
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"Not sure how this will end"??? I am very sure... no one will receive another penny from any of these companies and the legal authorities will find that most of the money is GONE. In the end there will be pennies paid on the dollar to those who invested with this scam.

No hype, just fact. There was a lot of spending including lavish homes, extravagant trips and copious donations to charities. But there was never any income, so it was all coming from investor's monies.

Is that clear to everyone? For every dollar they took in, they likely paid out $0.90 between mortgage payments and the principals lavish lifestyles. So what does anyone really expect to recoup from this fiasco?
Hello, Friday.

to the people that have just recently gotten involved with this company's scam, if you want to fix it for yourself, please look beyond this mortgage and dream ride aspect of what drew you in.

you "bought" this story and invested because MDH or dream rides or whomever, convinced you that there was an underlying "business" answer to paying your bills.
Which is true. It just isn't their business that will do it.

And when you sign over control of your money to someone else, they still won't do it.

Take control of your own money. And do something about your "business"

There is a small business answer to paying your bills but it requires the belief that a new small business, either like the ones that you fell in love with that MDH described or other real small businesses out there that can really add the revenue to your life that you need to pay these new higher bills.
It's not hard to believe that because it is true and people who didn't listen to Andy Williams, do it everyday. That might be the other million people in this area not the small group of 1500 who made one wrong move on the game board. So what? Get back in the game. You get to pass go and collect $200.

Even if you sell the house you bought, you will have to advertise, sell, and wait and still make the payment during the time it takes to do the above, so if you want to really change your life and your problem,
LOOK TO YOUR ABILITY TO START YOUR OWN NEW BUSINESS AND GET SOME HELP (COACHING OR JOINT VENTURE OR MENTOR OR HOW TO BOOK) TO DO IT.

to whatashame and whoever else wants to actually build a side business that adds a real 20k or 50k or whatever to your yearly income of your regular job, it isn't hard. please send me a private message and i will help you. for real.

But being involved with this scam and expecting the government to get you any money back is like being the parent left in a deadbeat parent chase. You still have to pay your bills and make your own living for your kids while you fill out paperwork and go to court and wait for decisions and wait for the wheels of justice turn and try to garnish your ex's wages way tooooo late. And if you stand still while you wait for that, you and your family get burned.

So please people, figure out that you may have made one or two poor decisions to recently trust a scammer with evangelical personality to pay your bills, but that YOU CAN STILL TRUST YOUR NEXT DECISIONS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE YOUR LIVING WORK if you decide to work yourself out of this mess.

And you know who you are. If you are one of the first investors paid and already have your money and still support your company, great. Go with it if it's working for you.

If you are one of the later investors or employees or vendors who was sold a boatload of empty, hollowed out equipment and unenforceable illegal contracts and free mortgage backed by business that may have a lot of literature on glossy paper but no financials, then go do your own business. Get some better help this time. And keep fiduciary control of your own money. But don't lose your entrepreneurial spirit and desire to do something for your family.

And pay your mortgage off early the real way. Ask me, I'll help you 'cause there is more than one way to do it.

There are resources available and help available to do exactly what you want. But not in the same way you were promised by the people who abused your trust. And not if you whine about the poor investors and wait for the courts to decide your fate (which is same whether you wait or not,) but you can change the fate if you take action yourself and stop thinking you can get your mortgage (and other bills) paid for you just by using your credit to further the scam.

And to dear "Abbey" class action shopper, if you've been following this company and the problems posted on this mortgage thing, you'll already know that this is not about the mortgages and is about bigger business issues. when the FTC and the IRS and some of the Small Business lobbies and protectors get on board with the bigger issues than "unregistered unenforceable promissory notes," then you'll find your class action ability. If that is what you're really shopping for.

And to Ralph, please don't take this the wrong way, 'cause I enjoy sparring with you a little here, --
if you "yell" at people in these posts and make them feel stupid or embarrassed about the decisions they made,
THEY'LL PROBABLY STOP POSTING.
People need this space to vent and compare notes. And to find help and some comrades in arms.

So anyway, as to the info posted yesterday by iwilltell and hardknocklife about how "court" went and we see the AG making some "technicality errors," this may turn into a non-issue with a basic slap on the wrist which has been done before to the same people and they've re-animated over and over.

Please look at creating good smart ethical businesses for yourselves. Whether it is the job you take at a decent company with real products and services or whether it is starting your own without cutting corners and exhausting/exploiting your resources including the human capital. It takes less effort and money to provide decent customer service than it does to clean up the problem or lose the customer.

I really want a better arena to make a living and do real business than the contaminated marketplace of Metro Drama Homes and all their little non-businesses dressed up to look real. Help me. and help yourselves. it's the same thing.

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Old 10-22-2007, 10:59 PM
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And to Ralph, please don't take this the wrong way, 'cause I enjoy sparring with you a little here, --
if you "yell" at people in these posts and make them feel stupid or embarrassed about the decisions they made,
THEY'LL PROBABLY STOP POSTING.
People need this space to vent and compare notes. And to find help and some comrades in arms.
You don't have to say my name three times for me to appear. But if you start spouting nonsense, I am happy to comment.

I can't say that your last post was nonsense, since you didn't really say anything at all. But I will say that the discussion about MDH is not about "comparing notes". MDH is a scam, plain and simple. I am not sure about you however. I will say that you talk like you are not on the up and up since you have posted literally thousands of words and I don't think you have ever said one thing.

I don't really care if you post or if anyone here who is posting garbage or nonsense stops posting. The reason that I point out the nonsense is so that people will stop posting it. If they don't have anything else to say except for nonsense, then it is ok with me if they don't post at all.

So re-foundingmother, do you have anything to say about your "business" proposal other than the veiled hints and innuendo? Can you tell us something that would actually be useful to the victims of the MDH fraud? Your sneaking around in private messages makes you seem like the MDH folks, but preying on ones who have already shown themselves to be susceptible to questionable sales techniques. I am not saying you are a crook, I am saying you appear to be one. If you are not a crook, why don't you stop acting like one?

Also, if you continue to post about *your* investment plan, you may get reported to the forum monitors for posting off topic. This is supposed to be about MDH, not MDH Jr.

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