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Old 06-13-2009, 02:30 PM
greatharvest greatharvest is offline
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Hey everyone... I got taken yesterday by a "lemmens crane system" scam. After checking my account today, the money is in there. I have notified the FBI. But now what? Please help!

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Old 06-13-2009, 02:41 PM
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Default Fake cheques?

@greatharvest. Welcome to 419legal. You have not given us much information to work with?

If you received a cheque, then it will be either forged or stolen, and you will have to explain why you are trying to pass a forged instrument with up to fifteen years jail in some places.

If you are in the USA and the cheques arrived by mail , then take them to your postal inspector unless the FBI have told you different.

Please post a copy of the emails so we can see what is happening.

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Old 06-13-2009, 02:55 PM
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The emails I received were inviting me to work as a Secret Shopper. I, like an idiot, filled in my name, address, phone number expecting to receive instructions about doing some shopping to rate the service. Then I received a couple checks from Go Motors in Boulder Colorado. Each was for $1,850. I was instructed to deposit one and cash the other and immediately send the cash through western union. I did all that, then started to wonder why I was sending this money through western union. I looked up Lemmens Crane, Go Motors, and the several different addresses I got. That is when I found out this is most likely a scam.

But now I am sitting with over $2000 in the bank that I have no clue what to do with. I already sent $1500 via western union before getting wise to the scam.

I decided last night to contact the FBI, but they advised me to forward the emails to them, and I don't see how that is getting me anywhere.

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Old 06-13-2009, 03:10 PM
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Default Fake cheques.

@greatharvest. this IS a scam , sorry but the money you have sent is lost.

Send copies to theFBI but make hard copies for yourself,
Please contact the bank manager and take copies of the emails and give them to him . Explain that you are NOT trying to cheat the bank.

The cheques WILL bounce, you have to cover yourself against action that could be taken against you for trying to pass dud cheques .
If you leave it you could be in trouble,

The bank manager will act to protect the bank and his job before you and will report the fraudulent instruments to the police to cover himself.

Sadly you will have to repay the $1500 to the bank if there are insufficient funds of yours in there .
Please contact Fraud recognition and prevention education, fraud victim advocacy, law enforcement support

To check with them about identity theft to cover yourself .

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Old 06-13-2009, 07:46 PM
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The emails I received were inviting me to work as a Secret Shopper. I, like an idiot, filled in my name, address, phone number expecting to receive instructions about doing some shopping to rate the service. Then I received a couple checks from Go Motors in Boulder Colorado. Each was for $1,850. I was instructed to deposit one and cash the other and immediately send the cash through western union. I did all that, then started to wonder why I was sending this money through western union. I looked up Lemmens Crane, Go Motors, and the several different addresses I got. That is when I found out this is most likely a scam.

But now I am sitting with over $2000 in the bank that I have no clue what to do with. I already sent $1500 via western union before getting wise to the scam.

I decided last night to contact the FBI, but they advised me to forward the emails to them, and I don't see how that is getting me anywhere.


They are so many diffrent type of internet scams has been flooded and spam through-out internet. Many of us has suffer job loss and desperatly looking for another sort of quick income. Those Nigerian are taking advantage of us more during this recession and they are running internet scams more in the past year than I have ever seen. Some offer part time job, roomate payment in advance, down payment on realestate, packages arrivals, inheritance, personal loans, transfering money to investment, any of these sort is all part of the Nigerian scams to get them to send you their conterfeit checks to cash along offering you to make 10-20% of the top call commissions for you work. They are trying to trick you by sending you a fake cashier checks, which looks so real lots of banks cant even tell the different. I have seen US Postal Money Order, Bank Of America, Chase Bank and many others types of checks. The trick is to get you to cash those checks with your local bank, 99% of the time your bank will not question you since you do banking business with them. Then you take your 10-20% commissions of the top your part to keep and than they want you to wire them the rest of the money by Western Union. Keep in mind, if you cash what ever amount of the checks they have sent you, you will be out of that amount with your bank. those Nigrians are excellent con artist, they know not to send you extremly large amount of check to cash due to the red flag it will create. Some of the banks are getting smarter by doing a 10 days hold on the checks before they depurse the funds although if you have enough funds availible in you checking, saving, money market, etc; 100% of the time your bank will go ahead and cash those checks without putting a hold on it. Nigeria are now known to be one of the largest corrupted country and number one mass producer of counterfeits checks. So dont get caught in the middle like my neighbor did which he lost 20,000.00 in his saving and still owe 10,000.00 to his bank by cashing those conterfeit checks. And here is some example of internet scam. If you get caught in the middle there is nothing you can do, you might as well say good by to that money and the chance is that hopping you dont get in trouble for cashing conterfeit checks...kepp in mind, CIA, FBI cant do a darn thing about it.

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Dear Sir/Madam,

I am in search of an agent to assist us in the transfer of A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
MONEY and subsequent investment in properties in your country.
You will be required to
(1) Assist in the receiving the said sum before arrival
(2) Advise on lucrative areas for investment
(3) Assist us in purchase of properties.
If you decide to render your service to us in this regard, 50% of the total sum
of THE SAID AMOUNT OF MONEY will be for you. Send information such as personal
telephone/fax number and contact address when replying.
yours faithfully,

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we lend at 3% ,any interested person write us with
Names,......
Address,....
Amount,......
Purpose of loan,......
Duration of loan,.......
Occupation,.......
Send to email:zopala

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From: MR. V H C CHENG

Hello,

I am Mr. Vincent Cheng Hoi Chuen, GBS, JP Chairman of the Hong Kong and Shanghai
Banking Corporation Limited. I have a sensitive, confidential brief from

Hong Kongand I am asking for your partnership in re- profiling funds worth
$24,000,000.00 (Twenty Four Million U.S Dollars) What I require from you is your


honest co-operation and I guarantee that this will be executed under a
legitimate arrangement that will protect you and I from any breach of the law.

Please accept my apologies, keep my confidence and disregard this email if you
do not appreciate this proposition I have offered you.

All confirmable documents to back up this fund shall be made available to you,
as soon as I receive your reply via ,I shall let you
know what is required of you.

Regards from,
Mr.Vincent

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Old 06-13-2009, 08:11 PM
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I went in person to my bank today, and turned over 2 more checks I received via UPS this morning. I explained the situation and they put my account on a "hard hold". I did not have the money to cover the overdraft of the one check I did receive and forward, so the bank is going to hold me responsible for these funds. Which really burns, but I am even more upset that I fell for this in the first place.

Are there any further resources that may aid me in Legal Counsel or a way to get the information I have to the FBI or other investigative bureau that may help in catching these people? I have contacted the local FBI office by phone and sent them forwards of the emails, and was told it would be looked into. But it sounds like this is an ongoing problem for which people rarely get caught. Surely the FBI would want all correspondence concerning this issue documented and investigated. Perhaps somewhere one of the criminals made a mistake that could provide a lead. I mean, these crooks can't even spell or use proper grammar and punctuation.

In any event, I would like to praise this forum for all it's help in this time of need. I have found a plethora of information and advice about this situation. I hope someone reading this will make a decision to throw away the checks, or even better, never give out personal information to someone replying to a resume posted on *****slist.org.

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Old 06-13-2009, 09:04 PM
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Keep in mind, this is international scam or fraud. FBI deal with the local issue not international, all they would do is to turn it over to CIA, believe me, they have lot more important things to do beside chasing a con artist. On top of everything the Nigerian goverment will not work with any outside law inforcement or cooperate with any goverment. Nigerian its currupted country and this scammed has been going on for years and continued to get worse. The only things we can do here with ours banking systems is to put a 5 days hold on all check on anything over 1000 and 10 days any amount and above. Im truly surprised with all conterfeit checks are going around that your bank dint put a hold on it and its part of their for cashing the checks. On the positive side, I have seen and heard worse compair to amount you lost. Its a shame you got caught in one of their scams, being a third world country that guy has struck lotterry with you. Money exchange in the third world is rediculous, ours $1.00 USD equivalent to 12.00897 NGN, basically if you lost 1800.00 USD, he just made 269,789.00 off of you. Average Nigerian income is 330.00 per year and he just made 5 years of salary in small amount of time. That is the reason why high percentage of Nigerian are doing it, is alot better odds than playing lotterry. I wish you luck, and sorry to hear you got involved, I myself did the same thing 5 years ago and lost lot more. The money you wire to them, is history and now you need to work with the bank where you have cash that checks, working out the payment plans to pay back what you cash.

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Education is the key to fighting these scams . . . tell everyone you know about it! If you have a blog, write about it. If you are on a social networking site, post info there for all of your connections to see.

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Old 09-07-2009, 09:56 PM
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sorry to hear that you were scammed. I would refer to this article ( steps to report online scams ) which can provide you step by step instructions on what to about being scammed online. Make sure you don't just shrug it off. You could help many other people save money and a lot a big headache.

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Old 09-08-2009, 12:47 PM
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I am sorry to hear that people are still being scammed by these types of criminals.

I am still amazed that people continue to be scammed by the Nigerian scams in particular. I have received the emails. Sometimes more than one a week. They are usually evident by the misspells and the terrible punctuation.

I will admit that last year I was almost taken by one of the check scams, but the agents were operating out of Canada and their command of English was excellent. The check was very good too. I was concerned and took it to my bank to have it verified and they called the American Company on the check and corroborated that it was a fake.
The check was for over $4,000.00, and they wanted me to deposit it and then send them $300.00 through Western Union, for transaction fees.
I was really hoping that the check was good. I had just been laid off from my job.

Prior to that event I was contacted by a group out of Russia that offered me 10% of all of the funds that they would deposit in a separate banking account that I would have to set up for them. I did not fall for that one either, even though they were very convincing.
I wondered how I would explain the funds moving in and out of the account if I was to ever get audited.

The point is that Nigeria may be the biggest contributor of these types of scams, but they are not the only ones that are doing them. So, we have to keep a watchful eye out for any and all things that seem to good to be true, because they usually are.

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